Here we go again!

[Olav]

Hello,

I need some support here from someone who understand the english language,
in particular the US version of it, better than I do. My problem is that I'm
not able to catch up on how Bob Zale is capable to draw his conclusion as he
does, about me being a liar - again, when all I did was to express the most
neighbouring logical conclusion to Jeff Daniels reply to me.

Q #1:
Did I lie in my reply to Jeff Daniels?
Q #2:
Did I told him that he forced me to upgrade?
Q #3:
Is my wiew expressed in my reply to Bob Zale totally illogical,in
particular compared to what is a usual pratice in the software world?
--
Regards,

OB

//////////////////////////And here it
starts/////////////////////////////////////////



Olav Bergesen wrote:

Howdy,

I have some problem with PB/WIN v8.04 on Windows 7 RC(Build 7100).

Problem #1:
Most of the time when the folder icon for opening a file is clicked,
the IDE unexpectedly close itself down.

Problem #2:
Some times the compile process halts with error 418, and with the
cursor position itself to the line below the bottom line. This line have
apparently no characters on it, but when I close down the IDE and reopen it;
the line contain the characters ------------------

This is probably fragments of the bottom line just above, which I
use as divide markers between SUB/FUNCTIONS; with an apostrophe in front,
of course.

Are you able to reproduce these problems?

--

Regards,

Olav Bergesen

////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

From: PowerBASIC Support
To: Olav Bergesen
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 5:25 PM
Subject: Re: PB/WIN v8.04 and Windows 7 RC

Hi Olav,

PowerBASIC 8 For Windows has never been tested on Windows 7. We have
not seen any problems with PowerBASIC 9 For Windows on Windows 7, there are
even posts in the PowerBASIC forums from customers saying that version 9
functions normally on Windows 7.

Sincerely,

Jeff Daniels
PowerBASIC Staff

/////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

My reply to Jeff Daniels:

At 11:48 AM 6/17/2009, you wrote:

Hello again,

Thanks for the info. As far I understand your answer I have to upgrade to
v9 to get rid of these problems? That is sad to hear, since I'm not allowed
to purchase from you any more.

Well, I have to stick with these annoyance then.

--
Regards,

Olav Bergesen

//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

And then the big bad wolf appeared on the scene.

----- Original Message -----
From: Bob Zale
To: Olav Bergesen
Cc: ***@powerbasic.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 6:01 PM
Subject: Re: PB/WIN v8.04 and Windows 7 RC


You are making up stories once again. Jeff said nothing about forcing you
to upgrade. He said version 8 has not been tested on an operating system
which has not even been released.

Do not lie to my employees.

///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

My reply to Zale.

Fra: "Olav Bergesen" <olav>.spam>***@[e-mail]>
Til: "Bob Zale" <***@powerbasic.com>
Emne: Re: PB/WIN v8.04 and Windows 7 RC
Dato: 17. juni 2009 18:25

And I said nothing to Jeff Daniels about he forcing me to upgrade.I used the
term "As far I understand.....". Am I not allowed to express my
understanding of whatever issue I am a part of?

And is there any other logical conclusion [than upgrading(missed this one)]
to the fact that v8.04 is an older version, and that the problems described
by me seems not to be present in the latest version - according to Jeff
Daniels answer?

He gave me no information indicating that 8.04 will be tested on Windows 7
and that there possibly will be released a fix for problems descibed - and
others.

Is it logical that a version 8.05 will be released with version 9 out?

What is your logical conclusion of what I can do in order to get the
problems described fixed?
--

OB
////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

Comment:
And I have not received any advice from Bob Zale to my last question above.

[Karl E. Peterson]

Olav,

Sounds like you and Bob have some "history" and this isn't the full story?

Regardless, no, you did not lie as must USians would use the word. What you did was
ask if you understood the reply properly, then provided a colorful conclusion with
based on your presumed understanding. This is a common form of deception practiced
by many politicians here, so some folks are understandably tired of it.

I think Bob was saying the conclusion was unwarranted. And he's right on that
point, because the response from Jeff was totally non-committal and essentially
content-free. No way to draw much of a conclusion from that, other than to take it
for exactly what was said. (Ever hear the joke about the guys in the helicopter, on
a very foggy day, wondering where they are?)

As for your response to Bob, I think you're left with the reminder that w7 is still
unreleased. So, yeah, there are other logical conclusions one might reach.

Karl
--
[fill in the blank]

Post by Olav
Hello,
I need some support here from someone who understand the english language,
in particular the US version of it, better than I do. My problem is that I'm
not able to catch up on how Bob Zale is capable to draw his conclusion as he
does, about me being a liar - again, when all I did was to express the most
neighbouring logical conclusion to Jeff Daniels reply to me.
Did I lie in my reply to Jeff Daniels?
Did I told him that he forced me to upgrade?
Is my wiew expressed in my reply to Bob Zale totally illogical,in
particular compared to what is a usual pratice in the software world?
--
Regards,
OB
//////////////////////////And here it
starts/////////////////////////////////////////
Howdy,
I have some problem with PB/WIN v8.04 on Windows 7 RC(Build 7100).
Most of the time when the folder icon for opening a file is clicked,
the IDE unexpectedly close itself down.
Some times the compile process halts with error 418, and with the
cursor position itself to the line below the bottom line. This line have
apparently no characters on it, but when I close down the IDE and reopen it;
the line contain the characters ------------------
This is probably fragments of the bottom line just above, which I
use as divide markers between SUB/FUNCTIONS; with an apostrophe in front,
of course.
Are you able to reproduce these problems?
--
Regards,
Olav Bergesen
////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
From: PowerBASIC Support
To: Olav Bergesen
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 5:25 PM
Subject: Re: PB/WIN v8.04 and Windows 7 RC
Hi Olav,
PowerBASIC 8 For Windows has never been tested on Windows 7. We have
not seen any problems with PowerBASIC 9 For Windows on Windows 7, there are
even posts in the PowerBASIC forums from customers saying that version 9
functions normally on Windows 7.
Sincerely,
Jeff Daniels
PowerBASIC Staff
/////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
Hello again,
Thanks for the info. As far I understand your answer I have to upgrade to
v9 to get rid of these problems? That is sad to hear, since I'm not allowed
to purchase from you any more.
Well, I have to stick with these annoyance then.
--
Regards,
Olav Bergesen
//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
And then the big bad wolf appeared on the scene.
----- Original Message -----
From: Bob Zale
To: Olav Bergesen
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 6:01 PM
Subject: Re: PB/WIN v8.04 and Windows 7 RC
You are making up stories once again. Jeff said nothing about forcing you
to upgrade. He said version 8 has not been tested on an operating system
which has not even been released.
Do not lie to my employees.
///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
My reply to Zale.
Emne: Re: PB/WIN v8.04 and Windows 7 RC
Dato: 17. juni 2009 18:25
And I said nothing to Jeff Daniels about he forcing me to upgrade.I used the
term "As far I understand.....". Am I not allowed to express my
understanding of whatever issue I am a part of?
And is there any other logical conclusion [than upgrading(missed this one)]
to the fact that v8.04 is an older version, and that the problems described
by me seems not to be present in the latest version - according to Jeff
Daniels answer?
He gave me no information indicating that 8.04 will be tested on Windows 7
and that there possibly will be released a fix for problems descibed - and
others.
Is it logical that a version 8.05 will be released with version 9 out?
What is your logical conclusion of what I can do in order to get the
problems described fixed?

[Happy Trails]

On Wed, 17 Jun 2009 17:33:11 -0700, "Karl E. Peterson"

Post by Karl E. Peterson
Olav,
Sounds like you and Bob have some "history" and this isn't the full story?

A very astute and insightful observation, given the subject line!

[Karl E. Peterson]

Post by Happy Trails

Post by Karl E. Peterson
Sounds like you and Bob have some "history" and this isn't the full story?

A very astute and insightful observation, given the subject line!

Sarcastic overtone didn't shine through? <g>

[Bob Zale]

Post by Karl E. Peterson
Olav,
Sounds like you and Bob have some "history" and this isn't the full story?
Regardless, no, you did not lie as must USians would use the word.....

Hi Karl--

Nice to hear from you! It's been a while. Unfortunately, Olav did
make a disingenuous statement. That's fairly typical for him. He
said: "I'm not allowed to purchase from you any more." As usual,
that's false. He has a well developed imagination.

As to his "history"? Let's see, he's called me evil, a false god, a
member of the mafia, and some other nice things. The reason?
PowerBASIC asked him to verify his telephone number (as a partial
method of identification) before allowing him to download a free
update.

Best regards,

Bob

[Auric__]

Post by Bob Zale
Let's see, he's called me evil, a false god,

A... a *false* god? You mean I have to take down my BOB ZALE shrine now?

*sniff* ...I'm gonna cry.

[Bob Zale]

Post by Auric__

Post by Bob Zale
Let's see, he's called me evil, a false god,

A... a *false* god? You mean I have to take down my BOB ZALE shrine now?

No, no! You never know... one day soon Olav may stop by your home
to throw darts at it! {smile}

Best regards,

Bob

[Karl E. Peterson]

Hi Bob --

Post by Bob Zale
Nice to hear from you! It's been a while.

Yeah, likewise. Hope all's well.

Post by Bob Zale
Unfortunately, Olav did
make a disingenuous statement. That's fairly typical for him. He
said: "I'm not allowed to purchase from you any more." As usual,
that's false. He has a well developed imagination.

Not knowing Olav, my first interpretation on that comment was along the lines of his
employer had decided on a different vendor. I certainly didn't take it to mean he
thought your company wouldn't sell to him anymore. Is that how you interpreted
that? If that was the intent of the statement, you'd certainly be in a position to
say it's false.

Post by Bob Zale
As to his "history"? Let's see, he's called me evil, a false god, a
member of the mafia, and some other nice things. The reason?
PowerBASIC asked him to verify his telephone number (as a partial
method of identification) before allowing him to download a free
update.

Life on the internet sure can be "interesting" at times, eh? :-)

Regards... Karl

[Bob Zale]

Post by Karl E. Peterson
I certainly didn't take it to mean he
thought your company wouldn't sell to him anymore.  Is that how you interpreted
that?  

I'm afraid it's not a matter of interpretation. He's said that
before, even though he knows it to be false.

Life on the Internet is surely interesting. {smile}

Best regards,

Bob

[Karl E. Peterson]

Post by Bob Zale

Post by Karl E. Peterson
I certainly didn't take it to mean he
thought your company wouldn't sell to him anymore. Is that how you interpreted
that?

I'm afraid it's not a matter of interpretation. He's said that
before, even though he knows it to be false.

Ahhhh... Well, in that case, I think I'll just back away slooooowly...

Post by Bob Zale
Life on the Internet is surely interesting. {smile}

Heh, yeah.

[Olav]

Post by Karl E. Peterson
Olav,
Sounds like you and Bob have some "history" and this isn't the full story?
Regardless, no, you did not lie as must USians would use the word.....

Hi Karl--

Nice to hear from you! It's been a while. Unfortunately, Olav did
make a disingenuous statement. That's fairly typical for him. He
said: "I'm not allowed to purchase from you any more." As usual,
that's false. He has a well developed imagination.

The man with an imagination is you. You who claimed I accused Jeff Daniels
forcing me to upgrade.
How it is possible for someone to understand what I wrote to Daniels in that
way is way beyond my imagination.
I also could refer to - as an example - how you overwhelmed Frank Cox with
your screwed imagination; on his fully legal statements.

See
http://groups.google.no/group/comp.lang.basic.powerbasic/browse_thread/thread/448bfaa8fcb30d00/3a210341f6438900?hl=no&q=powerbasic&lnk=ol&

I have three good reasons to claim that I'm not allowed to purchase from
Powerbasic any more.

1. My order was ignored
2. When I contacted PB Tim Robbins claimed that that order must have been a
mistake.
3.A handful e-mails later in encourage me to cancel the order, which I did;
just to get the whole story out of the way.

As to his "history"? Let's see, he's called me evil, a false god, a
member of the mafia, and some other nice things. The reason?
PowerBASIC asked him to verify his telephone number (as a partial
method of identification) before allowing him to download a free
update.

I gave you my 8 zeros as I have done several times before over the
years.What could be more unique than a phone number like that.
In addition the phonenumber is of no value as a method for identification.
--
OB

[Bob Zale]

Hello Olav--

If you choose to withhold information which allows identification for
a free update, that's fine. We just won't be able to offer you a free
update by download in the future. Downloading of software is very
anonymous. We must ask questions and receive correct answers before
we can ok a download. I'm disappointed you don't approve of our
methods. You can obtain a CD by postal mail which is a very good
alternative. That way, we know it's being delivered to a registered
user.

When a customer (or potential customer) sends us a request to make a
purchase, we often need to ask a question or two. Sometimes, we have
to look at it very carefully to be sure your identity is not being
used by another person. In your situation, given all the things you
have said about us, we found it most unusual that you would desire to
make another purchase. This was particularly true given that credit
terms were requested. So, we inquired, to be certain that all was in
order. If we had decided not to sell to you, we would simply decline
your request. You chose to cancel as your own personal decision. We
honored your request promptly. If you change your mind again, please
let us know.

Best regards,

Bob Zale
PowerBASIC Inc.

[Dustin Cook]

Post by Bob Zale
Hello Olav--
If you choose to withhold information which allows identification for
a free update, that's fine. We just won't be able to offer you a free
update by download in the future. Downloading of software is very
anonymous. We must ask questions and receive correct answers before
we can ok a download. I'm disappointed you don't approve of our
methods. You can obtain a CD by postal mail which is a very good
alternative. That way, we know it's being delivered to a registered
user.

If you offered a cd for us old registered owners from the DOS v3.02 era.
I'd be interested. /Just Kidding. :) Glad to see your product still around
and kicking.

[Eric]

Olav Bergesen,

As I won a lawsuit (and appeal) against PowerBasic, I do believe you.
Bob Zale says one thing in these forms, but acts quite differently.
PowerBasic did finally pay. They spent about $1,500 on the suit
(estimate) over and above the judgment.

One curious thing that the attorney for PowerBasic told me was this:
"Robbert Zale is not a programmer, he is a construction contractor."

I have no idea if this is true, but the fact that PowerBasic has never
been able to produce a Linux version leads me to think that Bob is
just keeping PB limping along.
Don't get me wrong, the software is good for some stuff. I have moved
on to RealBasic, but do use PowerBasic to write DLLs.

RealBasic supports a rich IDE and has so many plugins that it is
faster to write commercial apps in. But PowerBasic still allows me to
use basic to write DLLs for speed.
RealBasic also cross compiles (windows, Mac and Linux). I have never
found an IDE for PB that I seemed professional - but that just may be
me.

Anyway, PowerBasic DOS made me a lot of money once upon a time because
I could write TSRs that extended DOS software. But now PB seems
lagging. Too bad to, it seems that many of us loved PowerBasic and
would liked to have seen a Linux version. One reason is that many
corporations never let windows computers touch the internet without
going through a linux server. I developed software for one corporation
for there linux servers. PowerBasic would have been perfect for that.
There is a need for non C++ development on linux, but that niche seems
to be filed by RealBasic (which won some linux award for development).

So I think that PowerBasic is in its final days. As long as Bob can
generate some income from the old code, I think he will. But I do not
see a long future for PowerBasic - too bad as I have fond memories of
using it.

[Bob Zale]

It's about time for a reality check. You received a pittance (a
couple of hundred dollars) only because our human error prevented a
response on the correct date. You received nothing on the merits,
since the merits were never heard. You are free to believe anything
you wish, but I think your opinions on PowerBASIC are fairly flawed.
You haven't registered a lawful copy in many years. PowerBASIC will
not deal with this further.

Best regards,

Bob Zale
PowerBASIC Inc.

[Bob Zale]

A few of our friends are lurkers here, so a short story may be
appropriate...

Once upon a time, there was a programmer from Michigan. Nine years
ago, the programmer purchased software from PowerBASIC, which included
a very liberal moneyback guarantee. There is, however, one fair and
appropriate requirement. If you return the disks for credit, you must
certify that you have destroyed all copies of the software. You can
read all about the PowerBASIC Satisfaction Guarantee on our web site
at https://www.powerbasic.com/shop/satisfaction.asp It wouldn't be
fair to get your money back, yet keep a copy, would it? Of course
not. The complete guarantee had been posted on our web site, and in
mailings, long before this purchase. In fact, it's linked right on
the order form.

So, in late 2000, the programmer from Michigan decided to return the
software. But he refused to provide a statement of "non-retention" of
the software. Flat out refused. Using colorful language, too!
{smile} He said he just didn't care about our terms, he'd rather keep
copies. Now, a moneyback guarantee is completely optional on the part
of a merchant. No laws require it. Never. But PowerBASIC offers it
because we think it's fair and we think it's good for business. But
we won't refund your money if you won't destroy all copies. That's
only fair.

We provided all this information to the programmer's credit card
company, and they completely agreed with PowerBASIC. They refused to
process a "chargeback" because they knew PowerBASIC was being fair.
After a year or so, the programmer from Michigan finally told the
credit card company he would sign a statement. They said, "Send it
and you'll get a refund". What do you suppose happened? He didn't
send it in, so he didn't get a refund.

So, the programmer from Michigan decided to file a Pro Se suit
(without an attorney). When I talked to the clerk of the court in
Michigan, she said "Not HIM again?". I guess he files a law suit
there every few weeks? We filed a timely appearance, but the case
was never heard. We never had the opportunity to tell the court what
happened. Due to our very human error, we inadvertently failed to
appear at a later required date and a default judgement was awarded.
We paid the judgement, a couple of hundred dollars.

The moral of the story? Don't miss a court date for a frivolous law
suit. It's very upsetting.

Best regards to our friends and customers,

Bob Zale
PowerBASIC Inc.

[Bob Zale]

In the spirit of accuracy, I really should make clear that there were
assumptions in my story above. Paragraph 4 should have been stated:

We provided all this information to the programmer's credit card
company, and they agreed with PowerBASIC.  They did not provide a
"chargeback" (refund) because they said PowerBASIC was being fair.
After some time, the programmer told the credit card company he would
sign a non-retention statement.  As I am not the credit card company,
I really don't have direct knowledge of what followed between them.
However, as they still provided no chargeback/refund, I assume it was
because they did not receive it at all, or on a timely basis.

Best regards to our friends and customers,

Bob Zale
PowerBASIC Inc.

[Eric]

Post by Bob Zale
A few of our friends are lurkers here, so a short story may be
appropriate...
Once upon a time, there was a programmer from Michigan.  Nine years
ago, the programmer purchased software from PowerBASIC, which included
a very liberal moneyback guarantee.  There is, however, one fair and
appropriate requirement.  If you return the disks for credit, you must
certify that you have destroyed all copies of the software.  You can
read all about the PowerBASIC Satisfaction Guarantee on our web site
athttps://www.powerbasic.com/shop/satisfaction.asp It wouldn't be
fair to get your money back, yet keep a copy, would it?  Of course
not.  The complete guarantee had been posted on our web site, and in
mailings, long before this purchase.  In fact, it's linked right on
the order form.
So, in late 2000, the programmer from Michigan decided to return the
software.  But he refused to provide a statement of "non-retention" of
the software.  Flat out refused.  Using colorful language, too!
{smile}  He said he just didn't care about our terms, he'd rather keep
copies.  Now, a moneyback guarantee is completely optional on the part
of a merchant.  No laws require it.  Never.  But PowerBASIC offers it
because we think it's fair and we think it's good for business.  But
we won't refund your money if you won't destroy all copies.  That's
only fair.
We provided all this information to the programmer's credit card
company, and they completely agreed with PowerBASIC.  They refused to
process a "chargeback" because they knew PowerBASIC was being fair.
After a year or so, the programmer from Michigan finally told the
credit card company he would sign a statement.  They said, "Send it
and you'll get a refund".  What do you suppose happened?  He didn't
send it in, so he didn't get a refund.
So, the programmer from Michigan decided to file a Pro Se suit
(without an attorney).  When I talked to the clerk of the court in
Michigan, she said "Not HIM again?".  I guess he files a law suit
there every few weeks?   We filed a timely appearance, but the case
was never heard.  We never had the opportunity to tell the court what
happened.  Due to our very human error, we inadvertently failed to
appear at a later required date and a default judgement was awarded.
We paid the judgement, a couple of hundred dollars.
The moral of the story?  Don't miss a court date for a frivolous law
suit.  It's very upsetting.
Best regards to our friends and customers,
Bob Zale
PowerBASIC Inc.

I suppose I should post the appeal and denial from the court in this
matter. PowerBasic did not argue that they missed any court dates. And
I still have copies of the court rulings and the check from
PowerBasic.
Shall I Bob?
Like to see what your attorney actually argued and how the court rules
against PowerBasic?

[---]

Post by Eric
I suppose I should post the appeal and denial from the court in
this matter. PowerBasic did not argue that they missed any court
dates. And I still have copies of the court rulings and the
check from PowerBasic.
Shall I Bob?
Like to see what your attorney actually argued and how the
court rules against PowerBasic?
This issue was closed years ago. We described our position
once, so there will be no further comment.

Maybe not from you - but you're not the boss of Eric.

I wouldn't mind seeing what Eric has to post.

[Eric]

It's about time for a reality check.  You received a pittance (a
couple of hundred dollars) only because our human error prevented a
response on the correct date.  You received nothing on the merits,
since the merits were never heard.  You are free to believe anything
you wish, but I think your opinions on PowerBASIC are fairly flawed.
You haven't registered a lawful copy in many years.  PowerBASIC will
not deal with this further.
Best regards,
Bob Zale
PowerBASIC Inc.

The searchable court records shows that your attorney WAS in court and
the court ruled against PowerBasic. The full amount in the claim was
paid by PowerBasic after PowerBasic lost the appeal.

[Michael Mattias]

Post by Eric
The searchable court records shows that your attorney WAS in court and
the court ruled against PowerBasic. The full amount in the claim was
paid by PowerBasic after PowerBasic lost the appeal.

Oh, it's just SOOO refreshing to see a new take on an old theme: "My lawyer
can pee farther than your lawyer"

For some reason I feel an overwhelming need to say two words - and two words
only - at this point: "Children, PLEASE!"

MCM

[Bob Zale]

This issue was closed years ago. We described our position once, so
there will be no further comment.

[Dustin Cook]

Post by Eric
Olav Bergesen,
As I won a lawsuit (and appeal) against PowerBasic, I do believe you.
Bob Zale says one thing in these forms, but acts quite differently.
PowerBasic did finally pay. They spent about $1,500 on the suit
(estimate) over and above the judgment.
"Robbert Zale is not a programmer, he is a construction contractor."
I have no idea if this is true, but the fact that PowerBasic has never
been able to produce a Linux version leads me to think that Bob is
just keeping PB limping along.
Don't get me wrong, the software is good for some stuff. I have moved
on to RealBasic, but do use PowerBasic to write DLLs.
RealBasic supports a rich IDE and has so many plugins that it is
faster to write commercial apps in. But PowerBasic still allows me to
use basic to write DLLs for speed.
RealBasic also cross compiles (windows, Mac and Linux). I have never
found an IDE for PB that I seemed professional - but that just may be
me.
Anyway, PowerBasic DOS made me a lot of money once upon a time because
I could write TSRs that extended DOS software. But now PB seems
lagging. Too bad to, it seems that many of us loved PowerBasic and
would liked to have seen a Linux version. One reason is that many
corporations never let windows computers touch the internet without
going through a linux server. I developed software for one corporation
for there linux servers. PowerBasic would have been perfect for that.
There is a need for non C++ development on linux, but that niche seems
to be filed by RealBasic (which won some linux award for development).
So I think that PowerBasic is in its final days. As long as Bob can
generate some income from the old code, I think he will. But I do not
see a long future for PowerBasic - too bad as I have fond memories of
using it.

Back when I was a teenager and had a legal version (got as an xmas
present, thanks dad!) Some pals and I wrote a dialup BBS package for it.
Based on EZBBS... Was alot of fun, very cool DOS language.

[Karl E. Peterson]

Olav,

Sounds like you and Bob have some "history" and this isn't the full story?

Regardless, no, you did not lie as must USians would use the word. What you did was
ask if you understood the reply properly, then provided a colorful conclusion with
based on your presumed understanding. This is a common form of deception practiced
by many politicians here, so some folks are understandably tired of it.

I think Bob was saying the conclusion was unwarranted. And he's right on that
point, because the response from Jeff was totally non-committal and essentially
content-free. No way to draw much of a conclusion from that, other than to take it
for exactly what was said. (Ever hear the joke about the guys in the helicopter, on
a very foggy day, wondering where they are?)

As for your response to Bob, I think you're left with the reminder that w7 is still
unreleased. So, yeah, there are other logical conclusions one might reach.

Karl
--
[fill in the blank]

Post by Olav
Hello,
I need some support here from someone who understand the english language,
in particular the US version of it, better than I do. My problem is that I'm
not able to catch up on how Bob Zale is capable to draw his conclusion as he
does, about me being a liar - again, when all I did was to express the most
neighbouring logical conclusion to Jeff Daniels reply to me.
Did I lie in my reply to Jeff Daniels?
Did I told him that he forced me to upgrade?
Is my wiew expressed in my reply to Bob Zale totally illogical,in
particular compared to what is a usual pratice in the software world?
--
Regards,
OB
//////////////////////////And here it
starts/////////////////////////////////////////
Howdy,
I have some problem with PB/WIN v8.04 on Windows 7 RC(Build 7100).
Most of the time when the folder icon for opening a file is clicked,
the IDE unexpectedly close itself down.
Some times the compile process halts with error 418, and with the
cursor position itself to the line below the bottom line. This line have
apparently no characters on it, but when I close down the IDE and reopen it;
the line contain the characters ------------------
This is probably fragments of the bottom line just above, which I
use as divide markers between SUB/FUNCTIONS; with an apostrophe in front,
of course.
Are you able to reproduce these problems?
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Regards,
Olav Bergesen
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From: PowerBASIC Support
To: Olav Bergesen
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 5:25 PM
Subject: Re: PB/WIN v8.04 and Windows 7 RC
Hi Olav,
PowerBASIC 8 For Windows has never been tested on Windows 7. We have
not seen any problems with PowerBASIC 9 For Windows on Windows 7, there are
even posts in the PowerBASIC forums from customers saying that version 9
functions normally on Windows 7.
Sincerely,
Jeff Daniels
PowerBASIC Staff
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Hello again,
Thanks for the info. As far I understand your answer I have to upgrade to
v9 to get rid of these problems? That is sad to hear, since I'm not allowed
to purchase from you any more.
Well, I have to stick with these annoyance then.
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Regards,
Olav Bergesen
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And then the big bad wolf appeared on the scene.
----- Original Message -----
From: Bob Zale
To: Olav Bergesen
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 6:01 PM
Subject: Re: PB/WIN v8.04 and Windows 7 RC
You are making up stories once again. Jeff said nothing about forcing you
to upgrade. He said version 8 has not been tested on an operating system
which has not even been released.
Do not lie to my employees.
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My reply to Zale.
Emne: Re: PB/WIN v8.04 and Windows 7 RC
Dato: 17. juni 2009 18:25
And I said nothing to Jeff Daniels about he forcing me to upgrade.I used the
term "As far I understand.....". Am I not allowed to express my
understanding of whatever issue I am a part of?
And is there any other logical conclusion [than upgrading(missed this one)]
to the fact that v8.04 is an older version, and that the problems described
by me seems not to be present in the latest version - according to Jeff
Daniels answer?
He gave me no information indicating that 8.04 will be tested on Windows 7
and that there possibly will be released a fix for problems descibed - and
others.
Is it logical that a version 8.05 will be released with version 9 out?
What is your logical conclusion of what I can do in order to get the
problems described fixed?